One of the problems was that employers kept reducing wages, because they found people willing to accept such low wages, especially young women largely working from home. Because new people kept being trained in the trade, the situation continued. Known as ‘cultivating apprentices,’ the practice had to be stopped and minimum rates introduced for men and women alike. At that meeting Betje asked a question, causing great consternation, as was later remembered ‘How an ordinary young girl, a rose cutter in fact, could be so bold as to speak up at a meeting!’ 
In June 1896 at the second meeting the Roosjes Snijdsters- en Snijders Vereeniging (RSSV) was formed, with Betje Lazarus as president and Sophie Lazarus as secretary. The minimum rate, which was to apply for men and women alike, was enforced only after a major strike in 1900.
 Weekblad van de ANDB 18-11-1904